Pass the Mic: Celebrating 25 episodes podcast Q&A!

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MacBook Air Microphone: Hello.

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So I have something new for

us today that is going to be.

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A pass the mic episode, the first

where I take the microphone and have

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somebody else ask me a question.

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So I obviously like to be

the one asking questions.

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So this won't happen very much, but.

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Uh, thank you in advance for listening.

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I also want to just mark the occasion.

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So the reason I'm, uh, had this

type of episode today is I have.

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The first 25.

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Podcast episodes published already.

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And it has been so much fun.

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It has been something I'd

wanted to do for so long.

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And to actually have the

opportunity to do it.

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And all of the wonderful

people that have allowed.

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Me to interview them and

be part of their lives.

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You know who you are.

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I so, so much appreciate it.

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The guests that I have here make

the podcast, what it is and I can't.

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Thank you all enough.

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Thank you all for being listeners.

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We've got over 700 listeners

and 10 different countries now.

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And I am just so thrilled that

this is potentially helping

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people and starting conversations.

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And if nothing else, that there's an

extra phone call or an extra text

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message that that will make a difference

at some point, with, with these topics.

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So.

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Anyway, without further ado.

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Thank you so much for listening

and let's get started.

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Liz: Hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of

real conversations about aging parents.

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This is your host, Rebecca.

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And today I am going to pass the mic.

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So, uh, periodically throughout the

podcast, I, I think it's important

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that I'm not the one always.

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Necessarily running the conversation

and, um, like some perspectives

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and give the opportunity to other

people that are part of the project

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or listen to ask me some questions.

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So I have a very good friend of mine, Liz.

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Liz.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thank you

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for

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Liz: having me.

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So you're a, an avid listener

and I always look forward to your

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comments and constructive feedback

on the podcast as they come out.

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And , you always need that kind of

person out in the community that can

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tell you when you edited something

wrong or when something maybe came off

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better or worse than you thought it did.

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Um, so thank you for being that person

for me, that that's really helpful.

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Absolutely.

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And so what we're going to do today is

we're going to be kind of unstructured.

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I wanted to give you the mic, um,

to ask questions about my experience

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or the podcast itself or anything

that, that you think as somebody

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listening would be relevant or helpful.

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So, uh, that's my cue to stop talking.

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Great.

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Okay.

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So my first question is why

did you start the podcast?

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. So I, I love podcasts in general, and

I've been consuming the vast majority

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of information through podcasts for

probably the last five to seven years.

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And uh, just as somebody who's

traveling on the road a lot or

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with my kids and just something

very easy to consume and listen to.

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And when I hear a great podcast, I share

it with my friends through a podcast link.

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And so.

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Thank you.

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When I wanted to get more serious about

this conversation and this project,

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I had first actually started a blog.

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Nobody knows about this because

nobody read it, which is reasonable.

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And so I got on medium.

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com and started writing.

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And what I noticed was I would

spend a lot of time and I love

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to write by the way, but I would

spend a lot of time writing it.

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And then I'd spend a

lot of time editing it.

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And then I'd put it out there and it

just didn't have any staying power.

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And I realized that I could,

uh, dictate into writing.

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Um, so then I started to do

that and then I was like, why

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don't I just talk on a podcast?

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That's probably Going to cut out a

lot of the middleman and make it more

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shareable than maybe a blog post would be.

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So I'm kind of a recovered blogger.

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Um, and then I moved into thinking

that there'd be a podcast.

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And then I just got excited because I

thought it'd be fun to talk to people

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in the same medium in which I've been

operating or listening for a long time.

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So that's, that's where the idea

of the podcast came in originally.

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I thought I was going to do a

podcast on multi generational living.

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And I pushed myself, I still

have the list to write down the

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podcast topics, but I just ran out.

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I mean, there's a finite number

of things as much as I love that

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topic that I could talk about.

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And I was like, who's going to be

driving to work and listen to a

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podcast on multi generational living,

especially if that's not part of their

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life or a potential part of their life.

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Um, I, I knew the podcast would.

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Would be fun for me and my, my friends

and colleagues that have, uh, known about

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this passion I've had for a long time.

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And I wasn't going to like send them

a, a podcast on bathroom dimensions.

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And what was ironic is as I

pivoted away from that, somebody

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actually started a podcast on.

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Multi generational living.

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And I've wondered how successful that is

and they're doing it really, really well.

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So that was kind of a funny thing

that that ended up popping up anyway.

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Um, but the minute I realized that I

could talk to people about these very

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deep, complex issues of the mind and

our connections with other people,

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given my, my background, that was it.

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Like my, my head exploded and

I was like, I must do this.

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Um, I must start the podcast

and I just started recording.

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That's awesome.

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I know we're certainly glad that you

have, um, really enjoyed, enjoyed

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listening to them and learning more.

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Each one makes me and my family

take a deep dive into the topic.

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So thank you for doing that.

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My next question is, um.

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What is the most surprising

aspect of the podcast so far?

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Well, that I, that I've been doing it.

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Um, I'm in a weird state of my kind of

professional life right now, making a

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lot of transitions and the fact that

it gets published every Wednesday

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has been a huge accomplishment.

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But other than the surprise of that, um,

I, when I started out, I thought that

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the podcast was going to reach people.

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Like me that are worried are

supporting aging parents.

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And what I have been surprised about

are the number of people that have

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picked it up as an aging parent.

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And listen to it and thought, Oh my God,

I don't want my kids worrying about this.

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Or, you know, I'm going to have this

conversation and I get this set up.

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And every time I get one of those stories

that trickles back that, um, that this

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is beneficial or at least eyeopening

for everybody, not, I mean, I, again,

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I kind of went into it thinking the

only people that would listen would be.

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People in my boat, but it's a community

issue and that that there's change

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coming in all directions to um To be

more prepared to be more open to be

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more caring and kind on this topic I

that's been surprising to me and it's

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actually made me a little paranoid

when i'm talking because I i'm always

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very Sensitive to not come off as like

ageist or, you know, we're here because

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people, other people are getting old.

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I mean, I'm getting old too.

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Everybody's getting older.

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And, and this is, this is geared towards

myself as well as a parent, you know?

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So, um, but yeah, as far as

surprising that that part is unusual.

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And then I realized like, you know, when

I'm talking to people in their sixties,

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They are right there in the middle.

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They, they saw their parents

alive in the eighties.

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And then they're also an, a quote unquote,

aging parent to somebody in their forties.

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And so that population has

probably been, um, one that I was

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surprised about, but they get it.

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That's the cool thing.

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When I talk to people in their

forties about this, they,

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they don't really get it.

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Um, They don't, uh, connect the same way,

uh, somebody in their, their sixties.

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And so I've, I've really enjoyed

kind of being surprised by that.

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Um, so as someone who's Um, in my late forties, I, I am, these, these

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topics do, do resonate with me because,

you know, I have aging parents and

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I also, you know, I am a parent and

what was surprising to me is that.

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My 30 year old daughter is

benefiting from these as well.

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I did not think she would be a

demographic who would listen to

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this type of podcast, but she is.

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And, you know, she looks forward to

them every Wednesday, just like I do.

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And, um, and it's.

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It's, it's helped our conversation

about, you know, how we will do things

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or how, you know, um, we will handle

things as, as I age or expectations

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that, that maybe I have or, or she has.

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Um, so that's been interesting to me.

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All right.

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So my next question is, um, which is this.

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I'm really curious.

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So how long does it actually take

to create each podcast episode?

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Uh, so they're, the episodes

are varying quality for sure.

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Um, the actual, from start to

finish, probably three to four hours.

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Wow.

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Um, because you've You know, find somebody

you work through, you know, whether

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or not they want to be a guest and the

privacy issues and make sure they're

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comfortable and then follow up and then

set up the recording almost always end

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up rescheduling between one of the,

one of the, both of us, a time or two.

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And then the actual

recording is the raw file.

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And then I go back and.

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And, um, that, that's also a varying

quality and I have some that I haven't

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been able to edit back to, to what

I consider a standard to publish

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that they're just sitting around.

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Um, and that's my, they're mostly the

ones I record on my own and then just

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can't stand when I listen back to them.

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Um, but a lot of the conversations

that I put out there are much

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longer than what you actually hear.

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Um, and I try to keep

them drive timable, like.

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Less than an hour for most of them

and less than that, even more ideal.

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So not heavily edited to like

change the substance, but the

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pauses and the, that kind of thing.

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And just try to go back

and crunch them up.

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Um, my daughter, the eight

year old does help me with

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editing as if it's not obvious.

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That's editing is, is not great.

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And, um, there's a couple of times

I've published a blank episode.

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That was embarrassing.

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Um, I mentioned this in a different

episode upcoming, but I have a

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tortoise in the same room where I...

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Record the podcast.

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And so I could hear the tortoise in the

podcast when I'm listening back to it.

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It's a thumping sound in the back.

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Um, but that's the best place

for me to record in the house.

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Uh, but yeah, it, it definitely, and I

go back and I read it a couple of times.

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I listened to it.

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Um, so by the time I've actually

published it, it's been three

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or four hours per episode.

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Wow.

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That's quite a time commitment for sure.

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It's fun though.

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I like it.

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It's never, it doesn't

feel like work to me.

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I, I, I love the topic and I love,

um, what's going out and I can see

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the potential to start conversations.

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And so just that part of my brain, um,

it, it, it, I look forward to doing it.

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I don't look at it like, Oh my God.

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Now, if I'm running late that there's

one podcast where I interviewed

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my kids and that was because I

had recorded one and I couldn't.

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I didn't like it and it

was really late in the day.

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And, um, and so then I grabbed

my kids and did those interviews.

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So that didn't take three

hours because they were here.

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Um, but yeah, so that's,

that's pretty much standard.

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I could do it in shorter periods

for shorter episodes, but yeah.

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Cool.

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That's good to know.

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And I will say, I think your,

your editing skills have

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improved since the first episode.

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Thank you.

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Right?

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Or your, your, uh, the

sound quality, et cetera.

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So you're just getting better and

better the more, the more you do.

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So my next question is, um, how many

podcasts do you think you'll do?

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So going back to when I talked about the

multi generational podcast that never

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happened, I was like, I could probably

do 50 and cover most of the topics.

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But when I switched to doing

conversations, I was like,

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there's millions of stories.

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I'll never run out of people.

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To find to tell me a story.

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Um, and so I know the potential

there is unlimited that there's way

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more people with stories and I have

Wednesdays left in my natural life.

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So I knew that was good.

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But going into it.

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I had this idea that I would do 100

And just see what happened and see,

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so I thought I would, um, watch the

growth, watch the uptake, you know,

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see if it was still resonating.

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Um, I certainly don't want to

do the podcast just for myself

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to listen to, but, um, yeah.

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So I'd set out doing a hundred.

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Hopefully I'll get way past.

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that, but that's two years of podcasting

and that's way more than most podcasts.

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Get most of them fizzle out right

about now, actually somewhere

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between 20 and 50 podcasts.

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They kind of go out with a lot of

steam and then they, um, publish

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and then they realize it takes a

lot of work and, um, and it's some

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organizational skills to, to do it.

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And I think, you know,

it's easy to lose sight of.

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I had also considered one point, just

doing a series, like knowing it would be.

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Say 50 episodes and then just saying

that from the beginning, like, okay,

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one of 50, two of 50, three of 50,

but I don't know if I, I didn't want

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to limit myself like that because

they're, they're too much fun.

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And I keep promising to do these

follow up episodes because I really

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want to, and there's people that

have things happening in their life

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that I'm going to follow up on.

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And I think that's part of

the conversation, right?

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Right.

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A couple.

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Yeah.

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I have on deck for next year already that

I, I can't wait to do and, and follow up.

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So that's awesome.

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That, that would be neat because I know

some of them where you have talked about

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following up, I, I definitely would

like a, a follow up on some of those,

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um, just to see how things work out.

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I'm really curious to see how,

how Anne's doing and, , what

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became of, her situation.

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She, she was back in episode seven

and I just reached out to her.

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She's moving in November of this year.

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So I'm thinking spring of 2024,

I'm going to come back around.

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Would be a good time.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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Um, so.

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What are you hoping people will

do as a result of listening?

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I think have a conversation.

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I think that's the most important thing.

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And I struggled with even

what to name the podcast.

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I had some like, you

know, quirky, fun names.

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And I had read this advice about

naming the podcast exactly what it is.

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So people knew like, it was just

like, that's instead of something

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abstract, you know, they were

like, that's, that's what that is.

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And so it has this very vanilla name, but

really the intent is the name as well.

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And it's real conversations

with aging parents.

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Is the intent of this podcast and, um,

or, you know, vice versa, so the aging

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parent having these conversations,

because that's, if I had to pick the

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one thing that I can't materialize in

the middle of a medical crisis for a

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patient, it's a prior conversation.

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I can't.

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There's no prescription for that.

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There is no, um, way to recreate that

time when that conversation could

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have been had, um, prior to this.

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And, and I, and I know I don't talk

about this a lot on the show, but

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I have extensive experience with

patients in a coma and other severe

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traumatic brain injury type outcomes.

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And they, they don't,

they can't communicate.

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Anymore because of the brain injury and

so those conversations are amplified

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the ones that they have with their

family all become amplified because

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that was their last communication from

a healthy normal working brain and and

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I just in general value conversations.

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I talk a lot, you know, I have a lot of.

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Um, activities in our house.

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We always have people over and dinners

and that's just a part of our lives.

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But I, if anybody hears anything,

um, I want it to inspire a difficult

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conversation, um, because that is

prevention for some of the, um,

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pain and suffering that I see.

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in a hospital setting.

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And, and that would mean the most

to me that it, it led to that.

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And I would say second to that, there's

a lot of difficult stories on, uh, the

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podcast and that is intentional as well,

because I, if anybody can hear themselves.

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In somebody else's story, um, especially

stories that are, aren't quite as rosy as

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others, um, to give them some community

to give them some, uh, validation or,

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uh, just less isolation in that topic.

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Like, what if I don't have a

good relationship with my parent?

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What if I'm estranged from my parent?

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What if my parent is abusive?

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What if, what if, what if, and

I will continue to seek out the

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diversity of stories for that reason.

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Um, so people can identify everybody who

can find something they identify with.

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Uh, throughout the stories and, and that

alone, I think is also something that,

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that you could take away or even giving

context or empathy to other people.

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So if you were blessed to grow up with,

you know, the number one parents, triple

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A, five star parents, and you have a,

a friend that's Not dealing with that,

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and it will give some context to that

and how that could be more difficult.

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And, um, maybe some of the

more challenging decisions

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that they have to make as well.

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: 00:18:45

So those are probably the two things.

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So conversations and community,

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that's awesome.

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Yeah.

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And I, as far as I'm concerned,

that's definitely, um, what,

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what's happening, um, for us.

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I know.

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And I'm sure, I'm sure

I'm not alone in that.

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: 00:19:02

Um, so how do you, how do you find guests?

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So I started by interviewing everybody I

knew, um, but, but quickly I was able to

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find people that knew people that I knew.

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And then it just started going from there.

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: 00:19:15

And more recently I've had people

just reach out as listeners or, um,

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somebody found me on the internet.

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: 00:19:23

Um, and then I'm in a bunch

of different communities,

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especially physician communities.

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And I'm always.

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: 00:19:29

Um, looking for, uh, people with

stories and so that's been good, too.

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: 00:19:34

And, uh, the experts,

that's even been fun.

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: 00:19:36

Um, I didn't originally plan to

interview experts, but I, I think

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: 00:19:40

that's a, I mean, I have the same

questions everybody else has, right?

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: 00:19:44

So, yeah, but, but I have a

forum to go find the people that

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I want to pick their brain and.

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: 00:19:50

Um, if there's anything that I enjoy

doing, it's picking other people's brains.

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: 00:19:53

And so doing that in that setting, that

means that I don't have to turn around

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: 00:19:59

and go tell all my friends what I learned

from an estate lawyer or something.

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: 00:20:02

I could just send them the link.

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: 00:20:03

It's so much easier.

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: 00:20:05

Um, but yeah, so I'll continue to

find, I think the key experts in

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: 00:20:10

these areas and, and, you know,

talk to them sometimes repeatedly.

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: 00:20:15

Um, but so yeah, it's

still, it's still early.

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: 00:20:18

Um, I don't, I don't feel like I'll

have a shortage of that, but I'm always

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: 00:20:22

keeping in mind again, that diversity

of trying to find people with different

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viewpoints, , I'd like to develop, um,

more diversity with the, , religious and

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: 00:20:31

cultural, , standpoints as well, because

that, that varies, that's a huge factor

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: 00:20:36

in how people think about their parents.

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: 00:20:37

Um, so, uh, anyway, yeah.

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: 00:20:41

So that's how I find them.

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: 00:20:42

And anybody who's listening

that wants to be on the.

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Podcast.

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: 00:20:45

They could always email me.

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The email address is story.

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S T O R Y at Rebecca Tapia md.

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com.

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: 00:20:52

And I can put that in the show notes.

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: 00:20:55

Right.

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: 00:20:57

That would be helpful.

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: 00:20:58

So what's next for the

podcast or in my life?

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: 00:21:04

Yes.

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: 00:21:05

Yes.

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: 00:21:05

All of the above.

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: 00:21:07

Um, no, I, in, in the, in

the podcast specifically.

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: 00:21:10

I love, I, um, I love doing it.

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: 00:21:14

What's next is, um, I think taking

what I did the first 25 times and,

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: 00:21:19

um, , growing it, making it better.

385

: 00:21:23

Eventually I'll More

professionally edit the podcast.

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: 00:21:25

So what would be next would be actually

having them professionally sound edited.

387

: 00:21:29

But until that point, we're going to,

well, it's makeshift it's tortoise time.

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: 00:21:34

I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's fine.

389

: 00:21:38

Um, and the truth is these

conversations don't happen in a

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: 00:21:41

professional sound environment.

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: 00:21:43

, . Um, this is the first, , past the mic

I'm doing, but I have two or three in

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: 00:21:47

the works that I think will be good.

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: 00:21:50

And I think you'll hear a

different part of me if somebody

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: 00:21:54

else is talking to me versus me

talking to the microphone myself.

395

: 00:21:57

And, um, and that'll help.

396

: 00:22:00

That'll challenge me, I think, to be

to, to, yeah, just Think differently

397

: 00:22:05

and give different answers than I

would if I was just asking myself.

398

: 00:22:10

But yeah, I will continue doing, I

think next year, I think this, the

399

: 00:22:13

next, uh, 12 to 18 months are going

to be really fun again, because we've

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: 00:22:16

already built so many cool stories

that are happening in real time.

401

: 00:22:21

And I don't know of a lot of

other podcasts that do that.

402

: 00:22:24

Um, usually once they have a guest

on, I mean, that's, it's a one time,

403

: 00:22:28

uh, thing and it's usually like a

promotional thing or something, but

404

: 00:22:32

now, um, we have real life stories.

405

: 00:22:34

There's a real life people there.

406

: 00:22:36

going to come back and say,

Oh, you know what I said?

407

: 00:22:39

Here's, here's what really happened.

408

: 00:22:41

Right.

409

: 00:22:42

Yeah.

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: 00:22:42

Well, and, and, and in that regard, I

would also say, um, or I'd like to say

411

: 00:22:49

not to be so hard on yourself about

the, uh, the sound because part of it

412

: 00:22:55

does make it feel like, like, You're

having a conversation with, with a

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: 00:23:00

friend when I'm listening, I feel like

I'm having a conversation, you know, or

414

: 00:23:05

I'm part of your conversation, um, you

know, so, so you're keeping it real.

415

: 00:23:11

Well, I'm going to put

that in my show notes.

416

: 00:23:13

Liz said to keep it real and I don't

have to obsessively sound edit these.

417

: 00:23:19

What's funny, and this is probably

too much information, but there's

418

: 00:23:21

a cool setting in the editing

software I use called Studio Sound,

419

: 00:23:26

but it makes me sound like a frog.

420

: 00:23:29

But it cleans up the audio beautifully.

421

: 00:23:32

Um, and I used it with the, uh, the

podcast with Cecilia and it still bothers

422

: 00:23:38

me how, how the sound is on that one,

but that's, that's a beautiful podcast

423

: 00:23:44

and I've just left it that way, but, um,

that's just an example of, there is a

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: 00:23:49

lot of tools that can clean that up, but.

425

: 00:23:52

Um, sometimes at the expense of the tone,

the tone gets messed up a little bit.

426

: 00:23:56

So if you ever hear me sounding

like a frog, it's because of

427

: 00:24:00

the, the, the software editing.

428

: 00:24:03

And it's much faster for me to sound

like a frog and have it clean than

429

: 00:24:06

me to go back and do it manually.

430

: 00:24:08

So there, yeah, that's it.

431

: 00:24:10

So now we know.

432

: 00:24:11

Yes.

433

: 00:24:14

Well, great.

434

: 00:24:15

This was, this was fun.

435

: 00:24:16

Is there anything, I appreciate you giving

me this opportunity to have the mic.

436

: 00:24:22

Thank you.

437

: 00:24:22

Thank you.

438

: 00:24:23

Um, is there anything else that you'd

like to share with us before we go?

439

: 00:24:30

Um, so I'm going to tell people,

um, a little secret, which is

440

: 00:24:35

you were one of the first people

I recorded and I learned a lot.

441

: 00:24:40

I know.

442

: 00:24:41

I know you're going to turn red now.

443

: 00:24:43

And I learned a lot from the

recording, but I wanted to make a

444

: 00:24:48

point that by the time we were done,

the most important thing to me is

445

: 00:24:54

that somebody is comfortable and

that this is a very private topic.

446

: 00:24:58

And when I'm interviewing

somebody that I know in real life.

447

: 00:25:01

That can be really challenging because

we know a lot of the same people

448

: 00:25:05

and, um, I say this because I want

to, if anybody's wondering, reassure

449

: 00:25:12

it, there are things I've recorded

that I don't end up publishing.

450

: 00:25:16

Um, it's even after I record them,

I always send and, you know, ask

451

: 00:25:20

for edits or make sure they're okay.

452

: 00:25:23

Um, and, and those are the ones that

will end up actually in the podcast

453

: 00:25:27

and, and I know that was hard for

you and it was actually a really.

454

: 00:25:31

Um, one of my first interviews.

455

: 00:25:33

So it was kind of choppy on my end,

but eventually I would like to find a

456

: 00:25:38

way to, I think you have an incredible

story and a lot to share and, um,

457

: 00:25:43

find a way to do that, but that's

just an example of that, you know,

458

: 00:25:47

the, again, the, the baseline here is

these are private issues and that's

459

: 00:25:52

one of the main reasons we only really

use first names unless somebody asks.

460

: 00:25:56

Or tells me that they're going

to use a second name so people

461

: 00:25:58

can find them their last name.

462

: 00:25:59

So, uh, for a couple of people,

they've been like, Oh, you can find

463

: 00:26:02

me on Instagram and they're very open.

464

: 00:26:04

But for everybody else, we're

using either a first name or even

465

: 00:26:07

a pseudonym, uh, for many of them.

466

: 00:26:09

Um, and if that allows them to be

candid and, um, I think that's,

467

: 00:26:15

uh, you know, that that's good.

468

: 00:26:16

So I, I do appreciate

you doing that recording.

469

: 00:26:19

I know we can, uh, eventually go back

and do something again, but you're

470

: 00:26:23

right in the middle of it, right?

471

: 00:26:25

I would like to redeem myself.

472

: 00:26:28

That was a terrible recording.

473

: 00:26:30

No, it wasn't!

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: 00:26:33

Well, um, anytime I ask you questions

about, you know, your family and you

475

: 00:26:38

know your family will listen to this,

that's, that's different than me

476

: 00:26:41

asking somebody I've never met in a

different state that there's no chance

477

: 00:26:45

anybody's ever going to find this.

478

: 00:26:46

So, so anyway, it taught me a lot

and I appreciate you being willing

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: 00:26:50

to be one of the first people that.

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: 00:26:52

I was like, yeah, let's do an interview.

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: 00:26:53

But it was a good early lesson of, I, it

helped me develop my standard of like,

482

: 00:26:58

um, this isn't meant to hurt anybody.

483

: 00:27:00

This isn't meant to

make anybody sleepless.

484

: 00:27:03

And so if, if I ever get into that again,

you know, those, um, I have a much clearer

485

: 00:27:08

picture of kind of how to handle that.

486

: 00:27:10

So I'm glad that it was

beneficial in some way.

487

: 00:27:16

So, so now the listeners, the

listeners know if you have a, uh,

488

: 00:27:20

a, um, A recording with a robotic

sounding voice is going to be me.

489

: 00:27:27

We just talked about this.

490

: 00:27:28

I was like, Oh, I could disguise your

voice, but everything was so obvious.

491

: 00:27:31

It was like, because your

story is so unique, though.

492

: 00:27:35

I mean, your story is so,

um, is so individualized.

493

: 00:27:40

And so the coolest thing, another

thing was that came out of when I

494

: 00:27:43

did the recording with you, your

daughter was there and She's 30.

495

: 00:27:48

Right.

496

: 00:27:49

Um, and so I thought she was in the

corner on her phone, , and wasn't really

497

: 00:27:55

paying attention, which I wasn't wanting

her to it was just like, I noticed she

498

: 00:27:59

was in the same area, but seemed kind

of paying attention to something else.

499

: 00:28:05

And so I wasn't even talking to you

thinking that she was listening at all.

500

: 00:28:10

And the coolest thing, and I do

have this part recorded, is when

501

: 00:28:14

I turned it off, and she was like,

wait a minute, what does this mean?

502

: 00:28:19

And she just had this, like,

these wheels start turning.

503

: 00:28:22

And then I thought, okay, if, if a

30 year old on their phone is like

504

: 00:28:28

feeling connected to this topic,

um, that could be really cool.

505

: 00:28:32

Like maybe I'm too narrow in my scope

of who I think might benefit from this.

506

: 00:28:38

Absolutely.

507

: 00:28:39

Absolutely.

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: 00:28:40

You're right.

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: 00:28:42

It's happening to all of us that,

you know, even if you're even

510

: 00:28:46

your kids have aging parents.

511

: 00:28:48

Yes.

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: 00:28:49

Yeah, absolutely aging parents.

513

: 00:28:56

And hopefully it will benefit them

in the future as well, you know,

514

: 00:29:01

and they they can listen to these

Um, as they get older, right?

515

: 00:29:06

Yeah.

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: 00:29:06

Let me give you some other, um, titles

of what I thought I was going to call it.

517

: 00:29:10

So one was, um, what to expect when

you're expecting aging parents.

518

: 00:29:14

Oh, I thought that'd be fun.

519

: 00:29:17

Um, and then another was kind of silly.

520

: 00:29:19

It was like, Supporting

your boomer parents.

521

: 00:29:22

And then that was kind of dumb,

but anyway, so I went through it.

522

: 00:29:25

I was trying to make it catchy

and it ended up being the lamest

523

: 00:29:28

title ever, but then it's so

clean, which is exactly what it is.

524

: 00:29:36

It's perfect.

525

: 00:29:37

Yeah.

526

: 00:29:37

Anyway.

527

: 00:29:38

But yeah, no, it's, it's been

really fun and I'm glad we got to.

528

: 00:29:43

Absolutely and I think some of the

conversations are, um, like for me

529

: 00:29:49

personally, it has, it spurred me on to,

um, getting my funeral plan set up and

530

: 00:29:56

I'm 48, you know, and my husband thought,

but, you know, why are you doing that now?

531

: 00:30:02

You know, we don't, we

don't need that right now.

532

: 00:30:04

And, um, You know, but

it's, it's inevitable.

533

: 00:30:08

It's going to happen to all of us.

534

: 00:30:09

So why not?

535

: 00:30:10

Why not now?

536

: 00:30:11

Um, you know, I think it's,

it's, it's, it's really starting

537

: 00:30:16

some good conversations.

538

: 00:30:18

So.

539

: 00:30:19

Yeah.

540

: 00:30:19

And you, um, I mean, we'll get more into

your story in a future episode, but you.

541

: 00:30:23

Are also a widow as well.

542

: 00:30:25

Right.

543

: 00:30:26

Before you got remarried,

you've already been through the

544

: 00:30:31

young age of losing a spouse.

545

: 00:30:33

And so I think you're probably in a

different head space of, you know,

546

: 00:30:38

this Canon does happen and it is tough.

547

: 00:30:41

And how do I make it

easier for everybody else?

548

: 00:30:43

So we, we don't have to open that

topic here, but I, but, but yeah.

549

: 00:30:48

You say that with a very special

context as well of, of knowing

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: 00:30:52

what it's like to go through that.

551

: 00:30:54

So absolutely, . And I don't think

I mentioned this to you before, but

552

: 00:30:59

it also, um, my mom went with me.

553

: 00:31:02

Um, and so she planned

her funeral as, as well.

554

: 00:31:05

So that's a win.

555

: 00:31:07

That's awesome.

556

: 00:31:07

Yeah, totally a win.

557

: 00:31:09

So, um, so that, that was good.

558

: 00:31:12

My grandmother that lives

with us, uh, Nana, uh, she.

559

: 00:31:16

She planned everything a long time ago,

and she planned it all the way down to

560

: 00:31:20

the songs that she would allow to be sung

at the, uh, service, her favorite songs.

561

: 00:31:26

And so I always thought that was, I will,

of course, when I heard that the first

562

: 00:31:29

time I was like, that's kind of creepy.

563

: 00:31:31

And then later, I was like,

why the hell not, right?

564

: 00:31:34

You're not planning, planning your party.

565

: 00:31:37

Right.

566

: 00:31:37

So, um, yeah, so that's the way

I, I, I, I think about it, but,

567

: 00:31:43

um, but thanks for sharing that.

568

: 00:31:44

Yeah.

569

: 00:31:45

Yeah, for sure.

570

: 00:31:46

Well, this was fun.

571

: 00:31:47

Thank you again for allowing

me to be the guest host.

572

: 00:31:51

Absolutely.

573

: 00:31:52

Yeah, I'll have you back in the future.

574

: 00:31:53

We got a lot of things to talk about.

575

: 00:31:55

We do.

576

: 00:31:56

Um, and I'm taking notes on my current

situation and that we can, um,

577

: 00:32:04

talk about it on a future episode.

578

: 00:32:08

That's like one or two

margaritas before the podcast.

579

: 00:32:12

I've never had a margarita

before any podcast, but for that

580

: 00:32:14

one, that might be possible.

581

: 00:32:16

Yeah, yeah, we might have to.

582

: 00:32:19

Well, thank you, Liz.

583

: 00:32:20

You mean a lot to me and to the show.

584

: 00:32:22

And I just thank you for being

a part of it and coming up

585

: 00:32:26

with some great questions.

586

: 00:32:27

And I will talk to you soon.

587

: 00:32:30

Sounds good.